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« on: July 27, 2008, 06:45:23 PM »

One feature film, two television series, two straight-to-DVD movies (possibly a third) and a cartoon show … is this too much Stargate?

While ratings received from the recent season premiere of “Stargate: Atlantis” may suggest otherwise, the television market is becoming over saturated with the Stargate brand. As MGM’s second biggest franchise (bested only by the legendary 007), it’s not hard to imagine why this may be the case. The franchise is a lucrative goldmine and holds the potential for more.


Then again, the same was probably being said about Star Trek about ten years ago as “Voyager” -- and later “Enterprise” -- took up the Roddenberry mantle, sending the franchise out with a whimper. Now, Trek find itself in the position of relying on J.J. Abrams to re-invent and resurrect the franchise. And if anyone is capable of doing it, Abrams is the very man.

Now Stargate finds itself heading in the same direction. Creatively, Stargate is in a state of decline and disrepair with “Stargate: Atlantis” -- which is essentially carrying the torch -- relying more and more heavily on recycled “SG-1” stories or dumbed-down adventures with Wraith hybrids and clones. And in its first two episodes, the fifth season of the series has done very little to prove otherwise.

And that is a genuine shame, because in its debut and sophomore seasons, “Atlantis” proved how originally, witty and thrilling it could be, and didn’t shy away from the tough stories. Sure, there were lighthearted moments of comedy genius (such as throwing a shield-wearing Rodney from a balcony), but in its darker hours (“The Storm”, “Siege” and “Allies,” for example) the series displayed a knack for weaving a delicate and gripping tale of deceit, loss and real adventure.

Interestingly, in those years the lost city itself was as much a character as anyone else. The camera’s had wider shots to include more of the surrounding majesty of the city, characters were always moving and the isolation of the expedition from Earth only heightened the sense of danger and intrigue. Now though, with a slowly growing fleet of cruisers and beaming technologies even the most deathly encounters are resolved by the flip of a switch … presumably only because the Daedalus doesn’t have a main deflector to re-polarize. Somewhere in the more recent seasons the Atlantis character died, leaving behind just an old city.
ts parent series isn’t exactly bullet proof either -- without the Goa’uld, “Stargare SG-1” floundered and the series went out with the lowest of whinges. “The Ark Of Truth” at least provided a satisfying conclusion and justified the Ori story. “Continuum” on the other hand spends all its time focused on the shows weak spots and quite honestly doesn’t do any better than the series did.


“SG-1”was at its prime during the fourth and fifth seasons, with turmoil in the galaxy and a whole host of Goa’uld taking control. The fourth season in particular was made up of a vast assortment of tones and attitudes. “Window Of Opportunity” is by far the most original take on the “Groundhog Day” story, and “Divide And Conquer” offered a touching farewell to a much loved and interesting character.

But where is this originality and innovation now? Maybe its time Stargate took a bow and made way for another series to step up and have its day. And then 10 years from now, tomorrow’s J.J. Abrams can have his way with this franchise.









This has been an on going talk now for some time,I hate to see it go.However if it drops down with weired story line, constant time travel crap  shol'va   ,they have reach there limit with this.

Go out with a Blaze of Glory,galactic war and it ends there.With a possibility for a DVD sequel. GTO
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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2008, 07:05:44 PM »

i agree on most of it  however stopping the franchise for a while does not do any good, what they need to do in my opinium is do what they would if the franchise would have stopped for 10 years: re-invent and resurrect the franchise, look at the audience and the great shows that where made in the last couple of years

stop with the dumbed out cheesy  scifi and make an engaging intriging and complex scifi show

and please no guys in rubber costumes as the enemy
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2008, 08:20:59 PM »

lol I agree with most of it as well, Me personally am starting watch Babylon 5 again because SGA has lost some of what it once had for me...............
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2008, 08:46:30 PM »

one episode story are just lame, it's what always made stargate weak in my eyes compared to say indeed babylon 5, firefly .. and most recently the new doctor who that's just brilliant

it has storylines going over seasons, rewatched eps from first season hint to later ones .. they put effort in writing them and making the story coherent
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2008, 10:06:42 PM »

I haven't watched SGA for a couple of years now.  I always felt it was a weak cousin of SG1 tbh.  I never connected with the characters the way I did with those of SG1.  Seldom do I find spin-off shows do justice to their predecessors.
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« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2008, 01:00:52 AM »

I must admit that Stargate isn't as good as it used to be the last 2 seasons of sg1 and Atlantis are not as good as the older episodes
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« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2008, 01:28:49 AM »

What are the deciding factors in such a cancellation? Well, there are several including money, ratings and marketability. To my way of thinking "Stargate " has a potential in all of the aforementioned categories. Especially money and marketability.

When I last checked the ratings race, "Stargate " was in the top ten ratings list. Another thing that the popular series has going for it is it's huge fan base. On the internet, "Stargate " "Xena: Warrior Princess," "Star Trek" (all five series) and last but certant not the least "Babylon 5" are tied for the most fan related websites in Science Fiction Television.



also Sci-Fi channel is a Bastard company also.because other network could continue this show and maybe better.But they won't allow that.so we are backed to square one again.
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« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2008, 05:20:57 AM »

I have been a big Stargate fan but agree it lost something with the departure of Jack and his wit - humour is was set the series apart whether it was satirical or scarastic.  My favourites were always an actors line that included one of those 2 way words or expressions - and I quite often took it the wrong (dirty smile) way.  Even poking fun at other TV show (Star Trek and MacGyver) was brilliant writing.

The addition of new characters did not save the show - it was probably time to finish.   The first movie was jusk ok but the second I found much better.....  maybe cause Jack had a cameo in it!

SGA's big problem is the uneven quality of the episodes - the first 2 of season 5 were quite well done but last Friday's was predictable - been there, done that.   I wonder just how much budget constraints have been put on the show by its Sci-fi Network to keep it on the air.  

Changes to the characters have not made much impact so far - even bringing Sam Carter to run the base last year didn't help - I felt she was relegated mainly to a bit part much like the generals in SG1 - see them off on a mission and welcome them back.  

Finally, Rodney being the centre of nearly every episode;  Shepard risking his life to save someone every week;  Ronin who wants to bash someone's head in every week;  Teyla ... what can we say about her?  Dr. Keller ... ahhhhhh  (sorry, lost myself).    You get my drift... we need more, better storylines and deeper character development...... I have a feeling that the clock is ticking
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« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2008, 06:22:32 PM »

1. They really need to find some more cool stuff in the city an play with/mess everything up lol

2. Shoot Teyla and send the kid off with daddy somewhere never to be seen of again!

3. find some other types of ancient riddles around the galaxy and actually solve them :/

4. once Teyla is toast get the Hot leader to join the team :Tongue (the race that live on there ships wow she`s a babe an she kicks ass Cheesy )
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« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2008, 06:26:10 PM »

shoot teyla indeed

the doctor needs to show more skin and continue hitting on all members, preferably also the women that nymfo Cheesy

more blowing up stuff lol
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« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2008, 08:14:35 PM »

So you all also think that Telia has to go ????

Well is a few pics of the Traveller:

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By the time i'm done with her.She won't have punked on her ass,But Black own.


Seems like the Cage does her justice... :)
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« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2008, 12:46:13 AM »

Leave it to Kosh to find pics like that.  Cheesy
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« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2008, 01:04:15 AM »

She wouldnt get to sleep for a month if she was in my bed :Tongue

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and she was a vampire :Tongue rolling

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« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2008, 01:13:49 AM »

:)  Even you have to sleep or you wouldn't be able to function, my friend!!
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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2008, 01:16:32 AM »

lots of red bull and Viagra sweetie rolling
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